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	<title>Comments on: Expository Preaching: How John MacArthur Leads to Bart Ehrman</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem very liberal to me, both for this, and for your views on women pastors.  Why anyone would look for something to find fault with in John MacArthur is highly suspect.  If you don&#039;t use basic hermeneutical principles.in common everyday language, then how do you know this comment is addressed to you?  Come on!  You came to that conclusion by making some very basic hermeneutical assumptions.  So, with that said.  I encourage you to save your criticisms for men who do not have a high view of scripture and whose sermons are not spiritually nurturing and edifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem very liberal to me, both for this, and for your views on women pastors.  Why anyone would look for something to find fault with in John MacArthur is highly suspect.  If you don&#8217;t use basic hermeneutical principles.in common everyday language, then how do you know this comment is addressed to you?  Come on!  You came to that conclusion by making some very basic hermeneutical assumptions.  So, with that said.  I encourage you to save your criticisms for men who do not have a high view of scripture and whose sermons are not spiritually nurturing and edifying.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, there is another &#039;JR&quot; I am a different JR!  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, there is another &#8216;JR&#8221; I am a different JR!  lol</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You along with others in the Reformed evangelical camp want to argue that I am aiming at expository preaching poorly done. Do you consider mcArthur a poor example? I consider his the exemplar for expository preachers. I think it’s more.There are assumptions and practices here in the way expository preaching has evolved and now practiced by many that create a church of consumers and commodifiers of the Word. In the process we create a new works -righteouessness based on application points.&quot;

While I didn&#039;t necessarily disagree with the spirit of your original article I do take exception with this particular response.    You offer some quality debate over MacArthur&#039;s understanding of textual criticism and hermeneutics but I don&#039;t think it is fair to label him as a commodifier of the Word.  Maybe you are not intending to, but that response made it seem to me like you view him as an antagonist who needs to be overcome.   

Today, biblically sound expository preaching is very much against the grain.  It seems like every day that more and more churches seek a larger audience or desire to make themselves more culturally palatable.   In those instances the last thing they would do is actually teach the Word in a simple, straight forward expository manner.   

It&#039;s getting harder and harder to find a church that actually teaches the Word of God here in Southern California.  My (soon to be former?) church has recently made an unfortunate shift to a teaching style that offers very little biblical nourishment.   The pastor is a great guy, talks a good game about Jesus and tells funny stories but we no longer go into the Word of God in any detail.   I don&#039;t even need to bring my Bible on Sunday anymore.  &quot;We&quot; even quit having Bibles in the pews because it apparently made non-believing guests uncomfortable.  
It&#039;s like that with many Evangelical churches in this town.  Sensitivity to current social issues, accommodation to the perceived needs of non-believers and relativistic ideals have replaced the actual teaching of the Word in any depth.   

In comparison, last summer, Grace Church celebrated Mac Arthur&#039;s 40th year of ministry.  Over the years, I have listened to him speak on various occasions and am fairly familiar with his teaching methodology.  Even though I don&#039;t always agree with him theologically (or possibly hermeneutically &amp; on textual criticism), I very much appreciate the fact that he teaches the Word of God in a straight forward manner.  He usually gives his audience lots to insight to chew on.  He also doesn&#039;t use any spin to address difficult issues.  He just teaches what he believes the Bible says.  The longer I live in L.A. the more I find his actual teaching to be a breath of fresh air. It&#039;s in that light that I would judge his teaching.  

Again, maybe I misunderstood your article/response.  I think you make some astute observations with regards to his understanding of textual criticism and hermeneutics but at the end of the day I would not let that make me view him in an overall negative light.  I thank God for the presence of teachers like him in this world.     
 
sincerely,
JR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You along with others in the Reformed evangelical camp want to argue that I am aiming at expository preaching poorly done. Do you consider mcArthur a poor example? I consider his the exemplar for expository preachers. I think it’s more.There are assumptions and practices here in the way expository preaching has evolved and now practiced by many that create a church of consumers and commodifiers of the Word. In the process we create a new works -righteouessness based on application points.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I didn&#8217;t necessarily disagree with the spirit of your original article I do take exception with this particular response.    You offer some quality debate over MacArthur&#8217;s understanding of textual criticism and hermeneutics but I don&#8217;t think it is fair to label him as a commodifier of the Word.  Maybe you are not intending to, but that response made it seem to me like you view him as an antagonist who needs to be overcome.   </p>
<p>Today, biblically sound expository preaching is very much against the grain.  It seems like every day that more and more churches seek a larger audience or desire to make themselves more culturally palatable.   In those instances the last thing they would do is actually teach the Word in a simple, straight forward expository manner.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s getting harder and harder to find a church that actually teaches the Word of God here in Southern California.  My (soon to be former?) church has recently made an unfortunate shift to a teaching style that offers very little biblical nourishment.   The pastor is a great guy, talks a good game about Jesus and tells funny stories but we no longer go into the Word of God in any detail.   I don&#8217;t even need to bring my Bible on Sunday anymore.  &#8220;We&#8221; even quit having Bibles in the pews because it apparently made non-believing guests uncomfortable.<br />
It&#8217;s like that with many Evangelical churches in this town.  Sensitivity to current social issues, accommodation to the perceived needs of non-believers and relativistic ideals have replaced the actual teaching of the Word in any depth.   </p>
<p>In comparison, last summer, Grace Church celebrated Mac Arthur&#8217;s 40th year of ministry.  Over the years, I have listened to him speak on various occasions and am fairly familiar with his teaching methodology.  Even though I don&#8217;t always agree with him theologically (or possibly hermeneutically &amp; on textual criticism), I very much appreciate the fact that he teaches the Word of God in a straight forward manner.  He usually gives his audience lots to insight to chew on.  He also doesn&#8217;t use any spin to address difficult issues.  He just teaches what he believes the Bible says.  The longer I live in L.A. the more I find his actual teaching to be a breath of fresh air. It&#8217;s in that light that I would judge his teaching.  </p>
<p>Again, maybe I misunderstood your article/response.  I think you make some astute observations with regards to his understanding of textual criticism and hermeneutics but at the end of the day I would not let that make me view him in an overall negative light.  I thank God for the presence of teachers like him in this world.     </p>
<p>sincerely,<br />
JR</p>
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		<title>By: francois taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>francois taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend who had been schooled with the approach explified so clearly by John McCartur&#039;s preacing and writings.  Once my friend developped a better understanding of the detailed content of the Old Testament, the raw data he was confronted with could not meet his criteria of what ought to caracterize truth. He then told me he could no longer consider himself a Christian. 

I had tried to warn him against the danger his rationalist and narrow approach to Scriptures and inspiration presented. To no avail. It&#039;s a way of looking at things  his denomination is just soaked with. 

I suppose that what I have witnessed is no isolated incident. There is probably a terrible onslought going on out there, as thousands of young and bright people, out a desire to be coherent, feel they have to renounce Christianity because Scriptures is seemingly being found guilty as the tribunal set up by what they have been lead to see as the real source of authority: a self-agrandized reason requiring nothing less then total  factuality and absolute accuracy.  

All this is very very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who had been schooled with the approach explified so clearly by John McCartur&#8217;s preacing and writings.  Once my friend developped a better understanding of the detailed content of the Old Testament, the raw data he was confronted with could not meet his criteria of what ought to caracterize truth. He then told me he could no longer consider himself a Christian. </p>
<p>I had tried to warn him against the danger his rationalist and narrow approach to Scriptures and inspiration presented. To no avail. It&#8217;s a way of looking at things  his denomination is just soaked with. </p>
<p>I suppose that what I have witnessed is no isolated incident. There is probably a terrible onslought going on out there, as thousands of young and bright people, out a desire to be coherent, feel they have to renounce Christianity because Scriptures is seemingly being found guilty as the tribunal set up by what they have been lead to see as the real source of authority: a self-agrandized reason requiring nothing less then total  factuality and absolute accuracy.  </p>
<p>All this is very very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: TDD</title>
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		<dc:creator>TDD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article. I just finished listening to John MacArthur&#039;s &quot;Tale of Two Sons&quot; sermon series from Luke 15. My wife and I were both shocked by the sheer volume of &quot;assumptions&quot; he introduced as he delved into the story. Now I realize that all these assumptions were the result of his overwhelming reliance upon textual criticism. When one overanalyzes something, they lose their perspective footing which may result in a departure from the truth itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article. I just finished listening to John MacArthur&#8217;s &#8220;Tale of Two Sons&#8221; sermon series from Luke 15. My wife and I were both shocked by the sheer volume of &#8220;assumptions&#8221; he introduced as he delved into the story. Now I realize that all these assumptions were the result of his overwhelming reliance upon textual criticism. When one overanalyzes something, they lose their perspective footing which may result in a departure from the truth itself.</p>
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		<title>By: abhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>abhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sir its good</description>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, thanks!  Your explanation of the dynamics here is wonderful: concise and clear, something I can use with the rest of my church.  I hope to steal from it liberally if that&#039;s ok with you! (I love the book- very meaningful for me)  The connection how MacArthur leads to Ehrman is really a wonderful shorthand.  I wonder if for a number of people I might substitute Piper for MacArthur.  Clearly their intentions are not being addressed, but the assumptions that underwrite their understanding of the nature of scripture and exegesis?  Thanks for sharing this space on the net with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thanks!  Your explanation of the dynamics here is wonderful: concise and clear, something I can use with the rest of my church.  I hope to steal from it liberally if that&#8217;s ok with you! (I love the book- very meaningful for me)  The connection how MacArthur leads to Ehrman is really a wonderful shorthand.  I wonder if for a number of people I might substitute Piper for MacArthur.  Clearly their intentions are not being addressed, but the assumptions that underwrite their understanding of the nature of scripture and exegesis?  Thanks for sharing this space on the net with us.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there is a difference between preaching about the Bible and preaching the Bible.  Faithful preaching makes the main point of the text the main point of the sermon which then points to Jesus Christ as what it&#039;s all about.  If we do this as preachers, people will be fed, people will rejoice in Jesus Christ as their supreme treasure, and our churches will be places where the gospel is embodied.

Someone who does this quite well is Charles Price from Canada: http://www.livingtruth.ca/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there is a difference between preaching about the Bible and preaching the Bible.  Faithful preaching makes the main point of the text the main point of the sermon which then points to Jesus Christ as what it&#8217;s all about.  If we do this as preachers, people will be fed, people will rejoice in Jesus Christ as their supreme treasure, and our churches will be places where the gospel is embodied.</p>
<p>Someone who does this quite well is Charles Price from Canada: <a href="http://www.livingtruth.ca/." rel="nofollow">http://www.livingtruth.ca/.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ecclesial Dreamer&#8230; &#187; Ordination&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecclesial Dreamer&#8230; &#187; Ordination&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while reading through various blogs I have seen people hint at this whole idea of ordination. In a recent post by one of my favorite ecclesial dreamers, David Fitch, he makes the following statement: In truth, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] while reading through various blogs I have seen people hint at this whole idea of ordination. In a recent post by one of my favorite ecclesial dreamers, David Fitch, he makes the following statement: In truth, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I would disagree that MacArthur does this. While he does use “textual criticism” a bit more than say, a John Piper who plainly does much of his work out of his developed Biblical and Systematic theology, I don’t think MacArthur allows it to shade his preaching to the point of it superseding Scripture.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Might I suggest that one reason that MacArthur does this to such an extent is that he&#039;s a dispensationalist - and as such he doesn&#039;t have a grand redemptive narrative to hook his sermons onto, so he goes into detail of the text instead.

If you want to look at the opposite pole of Expository Preaching, consider someone like Tim Keller.  In fact, a number of preachers would improve their sermons no end if they simply picked on his habit of not thinking that preaching expositorialy meant preaching through the text sequentially.</description>
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I would disagree that MacArthur does this. While he does use “textual criticism” a bit more than say, a John Piper who plainly does much of his work out of his developed Biblical and Systematic theology, I don’t think MacArthur allows it to shade his preaching to the point of it superseding Scripture.
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<p>Might I suggest that one reason that MacArthur does this to such an extent is that he&#8217;s a dispensationalist &#8211; and as such he doesn&#8217;t have a grand redemptive narrative to hook his sermons onto, so he goes into detail of the text instead.</p>
<p>If you want to look at the opposite pole of Expository Preaching, consider someone like Tim Keller.  In fact, a number of preachers would improve their sermons no end if they simply picked on his habit of not thinking that preaching expositorialy meant preaching through the text sequentially.</p>
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