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If you like their stuff, try getting into the Polyglossia series that Chris K. Huebner has been putting together. There are some great titles that keep pushing at the envelope in a Yoderian way.

Where does one go to get ‘made’?

It’s frustrating how Hauerwas/Cavanaugh/Yoder have blown my mind and bent me more radically toward being truly Christian and yet how others don’t get it at all.

Even N.T. Wright, one of my heroes. I saw him speak at St. Anthony’s in California, and my brother-in-law asked a question about Christian exercise of power within democracies..mentioned Hauerwas. Wright had his one moment of smug carelessness, issuing the tired completely debunked ‘Hauerwas and Yoder are separatists’ line.

Where in other circumstances I think we’ve spoken the same language to say different things, I think here we might be speaking different languages to say very similar things but that are ultimately different. I had in mind the Incarnation. So I jive with basically what you are saying about the Babylonian language and the Aryan race, but at the same time, though, in my mind Christ’s kingdom reaches across linguistic, racial, territorial and sensible limits and/or boundaries.

I’m not sure, though, what you mean when you say: “I suspect the commonality you had in mind was the substitution of human standards and aspirations for God’s. Such that the postmodern architects, having abandoned the universal basis on which true architecture is built, are reaching above themselves.” I guess, in regards to my above paragraph, you are saying that I am saying that postmodern thinkers and/or architects are taking hold of something they don’t know about by saying that it’s not there. What’s not there being either a universal basis for truth, meaning or architecture, or God’s standard’s for which some of us aspire.

So, for me the phrase “substitution of human standards and aspirations for God’s” seems to shift the meaning ever so subtly of what it was I was saying. Not “altogether”, I don’t think, but subtly. For me the thought of “substitution” implies far too much of a kind of completion or closure on the act in question. The image that comes to mind is the Tower of Babel’s being left unfinished, undefined, incomplete. I consider that incompleteness to be not only present in the environment that inspired the Tower in the first place, but to be the very central reality giving the urge to go ahead and try to build it.

So, for me, its not like the view from the top of the Tower “substitutes” God’s view in any way. The Tower is never completed. No one ultimately ever gets that view. “No one has ever seen the Father except the Son.” Hitler (and the shooter at Virginia Tech, my alma mater) killed himself before his enemies ever even got to him to even try and stop his Tower-building for him.

Actually…I guess maybe we ARE saying the same thing? Maybe this is exactly what you meant by: “Even Sputnik isn’t the only spacecraft design that can get to the moon. Nor is landing on the moon a desecration of Allah’s heaven.” But that can be taken two ways: either its not Allah’s heaven, or its still a human who has the viewpoint from the moon.

As for God’s preferred architectural aesthetics…I don’t really know what that means. I’m pratially being viscesous But I’m partially totally serious, based on the above.

Jason