Comments on: THREE QUESTIONS FOR THE ATTRACTIONAL PRACTICIONERS WHO QUESTION THE FRUIT OF MISSIONAL: A Response to Dan Kimball http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:28:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rob http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-77522 Rob Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:35:13 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-77522 Just a quick question: How does it make sense that megachurches would do well in Korea because of a large Reformed Presbyrterian remnant? The large growth of the church was formed in a community where there wasn't a large reformed community. In the 1960's Korea was mostly Buddhist, and by the 1980's it had a megachurches. Just a quick question:
How does it make sense that megachurches would do well in Korea because of a large Reformed Presbyrterian remnant?

The large growth of the church was formed in a community where there wasn't a large reformed community. In the 1960's Korea was mostly Buddhist, and by the 1980's it had a megachurches.

]]> By: Reclaiming the Mission » My 5 years of Blogging: 10 Highlights http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-68800 Reclaiming the Mission » My 5 years of Blogging: 10 Highlights Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:18:54 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-68800 [...] 6.)Three Questions for Attractional Pastors Who Question the Fruit of Missional (2008). Ever since I wrote The Great Giveaway it seems I’ve been in the middle of this debate. Again, this critique of American church has been prevalent in my work over the last 5 years. I remember being at Trinity Seminary debating Ed Stetzer on” Can Mega Be Missional?” which was the title of another post in a syncroblog. I think this is the only time I ever won a debate with Ed (not in word count however – wink, wink, Ed). This post linked here is my best post on this topic because various representative figures who came onto the post to debate with me including Dan Kimball, Tim Keller, Andy Rowell and Alan Hirsch. Check it out! [...] [...] 6.)Three Questions for Attractional Pastors Who Question the Fruit of Missional (2008). Ever since I wrote The Great Giveaway it seems I’ve been in the middle of this debate. Again, this critique of American church has been prevalent in my work over the last 5 years. I remember being at Trinity Seminary debating Ed Stetzer on” Can Mega Be Missional?” which was the title of another post in a syncroblog. I think this is the only time I ever won a debate with Ed (not in word count however – wink, wink, Ed). This post linked here is my best post on this topic because various representative figures who came onto the post to debate with me including Dan Kimball, Tim Keller, Andy Rowell and Alan Hirsch. Check it out! [...]

]]> By: Mackenzie Vogelzang http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-63436 Mackenzie Vogelzang Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:54:52 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-63436 Great addtion to this site. This post is very helpful. Great addtion to this site.

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]]> By: mike http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-29510 mike Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:41:20 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-29510 I do not believe we should choose between attraction-al and missional. The point is to do both. Jesus attracted crowds AND He experienced community in smaller groups of varying sizes. To have as the goal a larger Sunday morning event is short sighted and incomplete. To think that a large group is somehow less spiritual or inauthentic is ridiculous. It's about understanding the need for both within each church gathered. I do not believe we should choose between attraction-al and missional. The point is to do both. Jesus attracted crowds AND He experienced community in smaller groups of varying sizes. To have as the goal a larger Sunday morning event is short sighted and incomplete. To think that a large group is somehow less spiritual or inauthentic is ridiculous. It's about understanding the need for both within each church gathered.

]]> By: free online tutoring http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-28773 free online tutoring Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:17:43 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-28773 Just a quick question, first off great post. Also, do you guys offer guest writing positions? Just a quick question, first off great post. Also, do you guys offer guest writing positions?

]]> By: Ed http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-15973 Ed Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:02:42 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-15973 Why is there has to be a dihotomy between attractional and missional? I sense that both are necessary. God worked for years with the nation of Israel before a few of these people would be ready to receive the messiah on God's terms. God has worked in the lives of people whether you call it Christendom, the established church. attractional churches or missional churches. Why is there has to be a dihotomy between attractional and missional? I sense that both are necessary. God worked for years with the nation of Israel before a few of these people would be ready to receive the messiah on God’s terms. God has worked in the lives of people whether you call it Christendom, the established church. attractional churches or missional churches.

]]> By: Kristen http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-10850 Kristen Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:52:23 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-10850 Jess H, I found this post while researching Tim Keller and his church. Our Bible study group has been studying his & Redeemer Presbyterian Church's "Gospel Christianity" series, and I wanted to provide more of an introduction to the group, as some were having questions about whose teaching we were studying. As a whole, the study has been encouraging and enlightening for me, and I know several friends have been impacted by viewing the Gospel differently than before. I just had one thought while reading your post (apart from appreciating your anecdote :) Thanks for that-- I always enjoy those "coincidental" moments) --and that is, it is wonderful that you are in a church that has supported your growth and development in ministry until now, to the point where you are actually thinking more about what is truly missional, what would work best, etc... I say praise God for that, and continue to seek Him for where to go next, and if indeed He would have you stay, I'm sure your diversity of thought/opinion would be necessary for the body where you're at :) In Christ, Kristen Jess H,

I found this post while researching Tim Keller and his church. Our Bible study group has been studying his & Redeemer Presbyterian Church’s “Gospel Christianity” series, and I wanted to provide more of an introduction to the group, as some were having questions about whose teaching we were studying. As a whole, the study has been encouraging and enlightening for me, and I know several friends have been impacted by viewing the Gospel differently than before.

I just had one thought while reading your post (apart from appreciating your anecdote :) Thanks for that– I always enjoy those “coincidental” moments) –and that is, it is wonderful that you are in a church that has supported your growth and development in ministry until now, to the point where you are actually thinking more about what is truly missional, what would work best, etc… I say praise God for that, and continue to seek Him for where to go next, and if indeed He would have you stay, I’m sure your diversity of thought/opinion would be necessary for the body where you’re at :)

In Christ,
Kristen

]]> By: Lanford http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-7697 Lanford Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:11:28 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-7697 I Love the way you write...thanks for posting I Love the way you write…thanks for posting

]]> By: JessH http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-7593 JessH Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:19:31 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-7593 I'm a student studying a degree in ministry in Melb, Australia. Now in my final year, I am getting more and more convinced / persuaded towards the missional model, and am getting a strong gut feeling that, in theory, it is a more Biblical model of church than any other. I don't really want to add anything to this discussion as I am definitely not an expert at all, infact I really just came across this while trying to find out more about it. But I want to thank you for your post, David, and all those who commented. Here's a funny anecdote - As I was reading the original post by David, I heard my phone go off, I had received an sms. Still sitting in front of the screen, I open my phone to see a new message from my Senior Pastor (I am part of a new satellite plant of a larger church). The message was a reminder of a key leader's meeting that is being held tonight, where we will be discussing "Outreaches, how to attract new people to church..." LOL. If there was every any doubt in my mind that our church goes by an attractional model, it is now well and truly gone! I laughed as I read it... oh the irony. While the timing was comical, it also challenged me. Through all of my reading on the missional church, I am struggling to reconcile my desire to be a part of this new way of thinking (or, movement), with my current situation. The last thing I want to do is jump ship on a whim. But how do I remain in a church that runs in the very way I am beginning to disagree with? Like many others, I am not saying the mega-chjurch model is entirely wrong. It definitely sees results. I just feel more and more pulled towards the missional model and feel that at some point God wants me to operate at this level. So, what do I do? I am not on staff at my church, but quite involved, so I can't just leave. And I don't feel the Spirit telling me to do that either. I kind of feel like I'm in no-man's land; I continue to serve and honour my leaders, but I continue to feel like I'm on a different page. Any advice? Don't worry, I'm mature enough to just read it and not make any big decisions based on somebody's opinion on the internet. But I would still appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks, Jess I’m a student studying a degree in ministry in Melb, Australia. Now in my final year, I am getting more and more convinced / persuaded towards the missional model, and am getting a strong gut feeling that, in theory, it is a more Biblical model of church than any other. I don’t really want to add anything to this discussion as I am definitely not an expert at all, infact I really just came across this while trying to find out more about it. But I want to thank you for your post, David, and all those who commented.

Here’s a funny anecdote -
As I was reading the original post by David, I heard my phone go off, I had received an sms. Still sitting in front of the screen, I open my phone to see a new message from my Senior Pastor (I am part of a new satellite plant of a larger church). The message was a reminder of a key leader’s meeting that is being held tonight, where we will be discussing “Outreaches, how to attract new people to church…” LOL. If there was every any doubt in my mind that our church goes by an attractional model, it is now well and truly gone! I laughed as I read it… oh the irony.

While the timing was comical, it also challenged me. Through all of my reading on the missional church, I am struggling to reconcile my desire to be a part of this new way of thinking (or, movement), with my current situation. The last thing I want to do is jump ship on a whim. But how do I remain in a church that runs in the very way I am beginning to disagree with? Like many others, I am not saying the mega-chjurch model is entirely wrong. It definitely sees results. I just feel more and more pulled towards the missional model and feel that at some point God wants me to operate at this level.

So, what do I do? I am not on staff at my church, but quite involved, so I can’t just leave. And I don’t feel the Spirit telling me to do that either. I kind of feel like I’m in no-man’s land; I continue to serve and honour my leaders, but I continue to feel like I’m on a different page. Any advice? Don’t worry, I’m mature enough to just read it and not make any big decisions based on somebody’s opinion on the internet. But I would still appreciate your thoughts on this.

Thanks,

Jess

]]> By: GeoffreySeven http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-2578 GeoffreySeven Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:33:57 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/three-questions-for-the-attractional-practicioners-who-question-the-fruit-of-missional-a-response-to-dan-kimball/#comment-2578 As one of those urban (New York City) post-modern, post-Christian types who was totally turned on to the gospel by a missional church, I could not agree more. It is a tough slog. The "religions" of pluralism and rationalism are completely entrenched. This is a long-term project. But if anyone is going to do it, it's the missional churches with their appreciation for the city and their respect for the intelligence of non-believers. As one of those urban (New York City) post-modern, post-Christian types who was totally turned on to the gospel by a missional church, I could not agree more. It is a tough slog. The “religions” of pluralism and rationalism are completely entrenched. This is a long-term project. But if anyone is going to do it, it’s the missional churches with their appreciation for the city and their respect for the intelligence of non-believers.

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