Comments on: The Three Potential (ideological) Traps of Emerging Missional Theology: Can Rollins, McLaren and Hirsch Avoid Them? http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:28:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Clemente Minnaert http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-337804 Clemente Minnaert Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:10:12 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-337804 Thanks for sharing!I always like reading about jQuery related stuff! Thanks for sharing!I always like reading about jQuery related stuff!

]]> By: JAKE DOCKTER http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-63314 JAKE DOCKTER Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:58:43 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-63314 I am currently working through a thought about the development of American religion and evangelicalism... Looking at it through a historical/socialogical lens and not religious/philopsopical. I posit that American Evangelicalsim had little choice but to become itself due to the factors of American Identity. It is fiercely independent and disconnected largely from church history and input. Could this be because the early Americans were in reality disconnected from England, from Rome, from scholars and religious thought? Our evanglism and evangelicalism becomes a survival of the fittest because the roots of our american religion were survival of the fittest, us against them, hacking a way out in the wilderness in a kill or be killed fashion. Our american religious identity cannot be separated from our cultural identity. We had to struggle across a continent, forging our own way. Manifest Destiny (Our current trend towards Prosperity Doctrine reeks of this doesn't it?). We have a history of oppression o f the Indigenous Indians, why would we now seek to love the least? I am currently working through a thought about the development of American religion and evangelicalism…
Looking at it through a historical/socialogical lens and not religious/philopsopical.
I posit that American Evangelicalsim had little choice but to become itself due to the factors of American Identity.
It is fiercely independent and disconnected largely from church history and input. Could this be because the early Americans were in reality disconnected from England, from Rome, from scholars and religious thought?
Our evanglism and evangelicalism becomes a survival of the fittest because the roots of our american religion were survival of the fittest, us against them, hacking a way out in the wilderness in a kill or be killed fashion.

Our american religious identity cannot be separated from our cultural identity. We had to struggle across a continent, forging our own way. Manifest Destiny (Our current trend towards Prosperity Doctrine reeks of this doesn't it?). We have a history of oppression o f the Indigenous Indians, why would we now seek to love the least?

]]> By: Reclaiming the Mission » The Emerging View of the Church in Society: Alan Hirsch/Michael Frost and the Danger of De-Ecclesiologizing The Church in Mission http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-31468 Reclaiming the Mission » The Emerging View of the Church in Society: Alan Hirsch/Michael Frost and the Danger of De-Ecclesiologizing The Church in Mission Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:09:56 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-31468 [...] treatments on the theology of the emerging/missional church. As I said on the three previous posts here, here and here,  I’m currently winding down my book project  The End of Evangelicalism? by [...] [...] treatments on the theology of the emerging/missional church. As I said on the three previous posts here, here and here,  I’m currently winding down my book project  The End of Evangelicalism? by [...]

]]> By: Sausage « City of God http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-30668 Sausage « City of God Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:32:36 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-30668 [...] David Fitch is doing a series on emerging theologians, the first part is here. [...] [...] David Fitch is doing a series on emerging theologians, the first part is here. [...]

]]> By: Todd Littleton http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-30520 Todd Littleton Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:11:00 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-30520 Dave, Let's push the publisher on this. 2-3 months?! Seriously, I look forward to your engagement with these issues. I find the previous commenters to have been reading my mind. So, with that, ditto! Oops, did that really come off like that radio personality? Here's to hoping it simply sounded like "I agree with them." Dave,

Let's push the publisher on this. 2-3 months?!

Seriously, I look forward to your engagement with these issues. I find the previous commenters to have been reading my mind. So, with that, ditto! Oops, did that really come off like that radio personality? Here's to hoping it simply sounded like "I agree with them."

]]> By: fitchest http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-30127 fitchest Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:10:54 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-30127 On Brian mcL ... it's more .. he has separated the Kingdom from it's inbreaking eschatological fulfilment of the reality of Jesus as Messiah Lord and coming King ... I'll be sketching this out more .. but for now you can see my earlier words on this here <a href="http://j.mp/cRfLrs" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/cRfLrs</a> On Brian mcL … it's more .. he has separated the Kingdom from it's inbreaking eschatological fulfilment of the reality of Jesus as Messiah Lord and coming King …
I'll be sketching this out more .. but for now you can see my earlier words on this here http://j.mp/cRfLrs

]]> By: Josh Rowley http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-30090 Josh Rowley Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:05:01 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-30090 David-- Is your concern about McLaren's recent works that he views the kingdom as too much "now" and not enough "not yet"? Is your third concern that more attention to missiology than ecclesiology will lead Christians into the world w/o knowing how to engage it faithfully (they will know the "where" of mission but not the "how" of mission)? David–

Is your concern about McLaren's recent works that he views the kingdom as too much "now" and not enough "not yet"?

Is your third concern that more attention to missiology than ecclesiology will lead Christians into the world w/o knowing how to engage it faithfully (they will know the "where" of mission but not the "how" of mission)?

]]> By: len http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-30068 len Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:43:25 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-30068 Incidentally, there is one more abstraction that occurs in most churches thru the influence of modernity. de Certeau showed how we have abstracted place, pushed toward the universal and away from the particular. What this means for community is that we have de-localized people from their communities. Or maybe it is "de-placed" or "de-established" people from their neighborhoods. But to be human is to dwell, habits don't exist apart from a habitus. Incidentally, there is one more abstraction that occurs in most churches thru the influence of modernity. de Certeau showed how we have abstracted place, pushed toward the universal and away from the particular. What this means for community is that we have de-localized people from their communities. Or maybe it is "de-placed" or "de-established" people from their neighborhoods. But to be human is to dwell, habits don't exist apart from a habitus.

]]> By: len http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-30066 len Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:34:39 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-30066 Yes, it's all about abstraction. One of the best.. now old .. articles I've seen that articulates some of this is found in the 1992 issue of Direction Journal.. an anabaptist publication. Article by Mennonite scholar Delbert Wiens. Figures that the discernment of the importance of place/incarnation comes from those with recent historical practice of peoplehood and covenant.. <a href="http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?695" target="_blank">http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?695</a> Yes, it's all about abstraction. One of the best.. now old .. articles I've seen that articulates some of this is found in the 1992 issue of Direction Journal.. an anabaptist publication. Article by Mennonite scholar Delbert Wiens. Figures that the discernment of the importance of place/incarnation comes from those with recent historical practice of peoplehood and covenant.. http://www.directionjournal.org/article/?695

]]> By: Jamie Arpin-Ricci http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/the-three-potential-ideological-traps-of-emerging-missional-theology-can-rollins-mclaren-and-hirsch-avoid-them/comment-page-1/#comment-30054 Jamie Arpin-Ricci Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:17:36 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/?p=1189#comment-30054 Somehow I knew you'd see it that way, Dave! Though I did actually mean that I was curious as to how the Vine had been exploring it. Somehow I knew you'd see it that way, Dave! Though I did actually mean that I was curious as to how the Vine had been exploring it.

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