Comments on: Seeking Good Soil in the Burbs – Neil Cole on Being Missional in the Burbs http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:28:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David Fitch http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1169 David Fitch Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:51:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1169 mts ... you echo alot of my thoughts and experiences ... any chance we can have a coffee sometime? could you e-mail me off-blog? via lifeonthevine.org ...<br/><br/>Peace DF mts … you echo alot of my thoughts and experiences … any chance we can have a coffee sometime? could you e-mail me off-blog? via lifeonthevine.org …

Peace DF

]]> By: David Fitch http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1170 David Fitch Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:51:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1170 mts ... you echo alot of my thoughts and experiences ... any chance we can have a coffee sometime? could you e-mail me off-blog? via lifeonthevine.org ...<br/><br/>Peace DF mts … you echo alot of my thoughts and experiences … any chance we can have a coffee sometime? could you e-mail me off-blog? via lifeonthevine.org …

Peace DF

]]> By: Beloved http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1168 Beloved Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:06:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1168 I greatly appreciate the practical ideas amidst the idealism (which I share) of the missional mindset. My experience with this has been fairly rough, a mix of blessings and lots of pain. It only took me a year to burnout. The three-year guys impress me. :)<br/><br/>My on-the-ground experience has taught me that community in 21st century America (most poignantly, suburban America, though much of higher-culture urban America succumbs to the same phenomenon) must be created intentionally and geographically, but centered around a common "meeting place", be it a "third place" or a multi-use church facility of some sort. The open, new monastic movement offers the most hope for this, I believe. George Hunter and Tom Sine in particular present compelling cases for this. But <em>how</em>, in the burbs... that is the question. The recommendations in your most recent post are promising, but in my experience, vision-casting needs to have a better platform than simply blogs, books, and sporadic, intimate workshops. I am MAJORLY in favor of these as fundamental elements of the overall matrix, but am convinced that the weekly gathering of believers is the optimal setting for earth-moving vision-casting.<br/><br/>You can read some of my story, if you like, at www.thecoredowntown.com/story.<br/><br/>Blessings to you all,<br/><br/>mts I greatly appreciate the practical ideas amidst the idealism (which I share) of the missional mindset. My experience with this has been fairly rough, a mix of blessings and lots of pain. It only took me a year to burnout. The three-year guys impress me. :)

My on-the-ground experience has taught me that community in 21st century America (most poignantly, suburban America, though much of higher-culture urban America succumbs to the same phenomenon) must be created intentionally and geographically, but centered around a common “meeting place”, be it a “third place” or a multi-use church facility of some sort. The open, new monastic movement offers the most hope for this, I believe. George Hunter and Tom Sine in particular present compelling cases for this. But how, in the burbs… that is the question. The recommendations in your most recent post are promising, but in my experience, vision-casting needs to have a better platform than simply blogs, books, and sporadic, intimate workshops. I am MAJORLY in favor of these as fundamental elements of the overall matrix, but am convinced that the weekly gathering of believers is the optimal setting for earth-moving vision-casting.

You can read some of my story, if you like, at http://www.thecoredowntown.com/story.

Blessings to you all,

mts

]]> By: Brian http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1166 Brian Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:08:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1166 When could we say a area does not have good soil and it would be time to move to another area? When could we say a area does not have good soil and it would be time to move to another area?

]]> By: Brian http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1167 Brian Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:08:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1167 When could we say a area does not have good soil and it would be time to move to another area? When could we say a area does not have good soil and it would be time to move to another area?

]]> By: Jason Hesiak http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1165 Jason Hesiak Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:31:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1165 here the formality dictionary may suffice :)<br/><br/><i>excrement; feces...up shit creek, Slang. in a desperate or hopeless situation; in serious trouble. Also, up shits creek, up shit creek without a paddle.</i><br/><br/>This gospel is for those who either have a large buildup of "fertilizer" (for Jesus) or are "up #%^$ creek w/o a paddle...[and are thus in need of a wind from the Spirit :)]" here the formality dictionary may suffice :)

excrement; feces…up shit creek, Slang. in a desperate or hopeless situation; in serious trouble. Also, up shits creek, up shit creek without a paddle.

This gospel is for those who either have a large buildup of “fertilizer” (for Jesus) or are “up #%^$ creek w/o a paddle…[and are thus in need of a wind from the Spirit :) ]“

]]> By: Nate http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1164 Nate Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:11:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1164 Can somebody enlighten me? For what is "fertilizer" a code word? I'm not understanding the wink-wink here. Can somebody enlighten me? For what is “fertilizer” a code word? I’m not understanding the wink-wink here.

]]> By: David Fitch http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1163 David Fitch Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:35:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1163 Dan ... <br/>I don't recall the model you're talking about ... but I think that we should avoid making these notions a technique ... for a given result ... this is a losing game ..turning all things into our control ..including social justice ... we are being faithful ... we should never turn people itno evangelistic projects .. we should instead be the presense of Christ ... offering redemption restopration through Him .. peace .. Dan …
I don’t recall the model you’re talking about … but I think that we should avoid making these notions a technique … for a given result … this is a losing game ..turning all things into our control ..including social justice … we are being faithful … we should never turn people itno evangelistic projects .. we should instead be the presense of Christ … offering redemption restopration through Him .. peace ..

]]> By: Dan http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1162 Dan Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:57:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1162 David,<br/><br/>I wasn't there but I appreciate the recap. Since we both go back some years, I wonder, especially in light of the last paragraph, how this differs from the "crisis mode" of lifestyle evangelism from say, 20 years ago? <br/><br/>In that paradigm, we were to follow the model of developing friendships with either those who were "hurting" or developing friendships with those around us and wait until they had a crisis. If the crisis came and they rejected the gospel, it was sort of move on to the next friend.<br/><br/>Perhaps the phrase at the end, "holistic love" may provide more of a response. I think an important point in "holistic love" would be to love them in such a way that would transcend the practice of turning them into evangelistic projects or missional "objects." I speak clearly to myself here. This is a great challenge. David,

I wasn’t there but I appreciate the recap. Since we both go back some years, I wonder, especially in light of the last paragraph, how this differs from the “crisis mode” of lifestyle evangelism from say, 20 years ago?

In that paradigm, we were to follow the model of developing friendships with either those who were “hurting” or developing friendships with those around us and wait until they had a crisis. If the crisis came and they rejected the gospel, it was sort of move on to the next friend.

Perhaps the phrase at the end, “holistic love” may provide more of a response. I think an important point in “holistic love” would be to love them in such a way that would transcend the practice of turning them into evangelistic projects or missional “objects.” I speak clearly to myself here. This is a great challenge.

]]> By: Jason Hesiak http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1161 Jason Hesiak Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:47:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/seeking-good-soil-in-the-burbs-neil-cole-on-being-missional-in-the-burbs/#comment-1161 Its possible that I'll be moving back to the burbs soon. Good ideas. But don't we have a biblically MORAL oblication to stay AWAY from places like the following, lest they corrupt our "minds"?: <i>He suggested a.) taking a ride with the local police periodically. Have them show you where the hurting people are. They know where there's "trouble," domestic abuse, bars that break out in fights, hurting people looking for an escape, where there's financial stress, where the desperate people are.</i> I'm kidding, of course :)<br/><br/>And I wonder what is the more straight foward word for fertilizer? Hhmmm... Its possible that I’ll be moving back to the burbs soon. Good ideas. But don’t we have a biblically MORAL oblication to stay AWAY from places like the following, lest they corrupt our “minds”?: He suggested a.) taking a ride with the local police periodically. Have them show you where the hurting people are. They know where there’s “trouble,” domestic abuse, bars that break out in fights, hurting people looking for an escape, where there’s financial stress, where the desperate people are. I’m kidding, of course :)

And I wonder what is the more straight foward word for fertilizer? Hhmmm…

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