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	<title>Comments on: Please Lord, Don&#8217;t Let Me Get Pragmatic: Spiritual Formation for Missional Leaders</title>
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		<title>By: larry Vanyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry Vanyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These financial pressures did not start yesterday or today, they started long ago when  the translators of the Bible mistranslated the word &quot;ecclesia&quot; into the word &quot;Church&quot; which we take for a building. The emphasis since then has gone towards the building a place to worship rather than the rightful translation as &quot;The Earthly Body of Christ&quot; meaning people. The wrongful focus then began a chain of errors including a hierarchical institutional system rather than a one-another type ministry. Now the Chickens come home to roost with all these financial pressures we have made for ourselves. Pressures that God had not desired for us to bear had we listened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These financial pressures did not start yesterday or today, they started long ago when  the translators of the Bible mistranslated the word &#8220;ecclesia&#8221; into the word &#8220;Church&#8221; which we take for a building. The emphasis since then has gone towards the building a place to worship rather than the rightful translation as &#8220;The Earthly Body of Christ&#8221; meaning people. The wrongful focus then began a chain of errors including a hierarchical institutional system rather than a one-another type ministry. Now the Chickens come home to roost with all these financial pressures we have made for ourselves. Pressures that God had not desired for us to bear had we listened.</p>
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		<title>By: David Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/please-lord-dont-let-me-get-pragmatic-spiritual-formation-for-missional-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-2026</link>
		<dc:creator>David Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, I just saw your comment ... great comment. I&#039;ll try to address your questions in the &quot;P.S.&quot; through the blog ... but probably not in next month or so ... &lt;br/&gt;Peace ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, I just saw your comment &#8230; great comment. I&#8217;ll try to address your questions in the &#8220;P.S.&#8221; through the blog &#8230; but probably not in next month or so &#8230; <br />Peace ..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/please-lord-dont-let-me-get-pragmatic-spiritual-formation-for-missional-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David-&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your post is very well timed. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m quite as scared and pressured as your sketch here, but I have definitely been effected by the constant buzz of financial crisis. (Especially the fear of not having a marketable skill to fall back on).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One of my spiritual disciplines is to spend more time with missional church pastors than denominational administrators and church-planting leadership. The pragmatism from the latter is sometimes helpful, but must be taken in very small doses lest it feed the temptations you discuss here.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for your words of wisdom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;p.s. I&#039;m wondering if you ever responded to my question about Scot McKnight&#039;s desire to start some new kind of post-emergent (I couldn&#039;t resist) network of evangelically minded emergent types? Are you in conversation with Scot about this? Is anything coming of it? How has your work with LotV  at developing an evangelism tool come along? I&#039;d love to see the fruit of those conversations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David-</p>
<p>Your post is very well timed. I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m quite as scared and pressured as your sketch here, but I have definitely been effected by the constant buzz of financial crisis. (Especially the fear of not having a marketable skill to fall back on).</p>
<p>One of my spiritual disciplines is to spend more time with missional church pastors than denominational administrators and church-planting leadership. The pragmatism from the latter is sometimes helpful, but must be taken in very small doses lest it feed the temptations you discuss here.</p>
<p>Thanks for your words of wisdom.</p>
<p>p.s. I&#8217;m wondering if you ever responded to my question about Scot McKnight&#8217;s desire to start some new kind of post-emergent (I couldn&#8217;t resist) network of evangelically minded emergent types? Are you in conversation with Scot about this? Is anything coming of it? How has your work with LotV  at developing an evangelism tool come along? I&#8217;d love to see the fruit of those conversations.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,&lt;br/&gt;Please delete my comments from this post. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anicius</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />Please delete my comments from this post. </p>
<p>Anicius</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thank you for voicing some of the questions that have been going through my head in these last months. I especially appreciate that you pose this as a spiritual rather than just economic problem. I have been working at staying grounded amidst the anxiety, and it requires intentionality and discipline, a lot of deep breaths and the will to give up the illusion that I have any control over these matters. Thanks for sharing your struggle and your prescription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thank you for voicing some of the questions that have been going through my head in these last months. I especially appreciate that you pose this as a spiritual rather than just economic problem. I have been working at staying grounded amidst the anxiety, and it requires intentionality and discipline, a lot of deep breaths and the will to give up the illusion that I have any control over these matters. Thanks for sharing your struggle and your prescription.</p>
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		<title>By: KK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud the bi-vocational approach. It reminds me a lot of what Paul was doing as a tent-maker missionary .. but I think most Pastor&#039;s are too scared to do it ... or pehaps don&#039;t have the time? or perhaps it means being in the real world too much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud the bi-vocational approach. It reminds me a lot of what Paul was doing as a tent-maker missionary .. but I think most Pastor&#8217;s are too scared to do it &#8230; or pehaps don&#8217;t have the time? or perhaps it means being in the real world too much?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Niece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Niece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent.  And thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent.  And thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: NathanColquhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>NathanColquhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey raskolnikov &lt;br/&gt;as long as you are not mistaking pastors with the idea of staff....i think that any church that is always depending on one pastor is bound to failure and burn out&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, by the sounds of it, you&#039;re community might be full of pastors, they may not call themselves that or be on staff, but it sounds like they are certainly doing pastoral duties...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;you as one person can only do so much, and pastor so many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey raskolnikov <br />as long as you are not mistaking pastors with the idea of staff&#8230;.i think that any church that is always depending on one pastor is bound to failure and burn out</p>
<p>However, by the sounds of it, you&#8217;re community might be full of pastors, they may not call themselves that or be on staff, but it sounds like they are certainly doing pastoral duties&#8230;</p>
<p>you as one person can only do so much, and pastor so many people.</p>
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		<title>By: raskolnikov</title>
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		<dc:creator>raskolnikov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I liked this article and it made some excellent points.  But I would like to challenge your argument that a church needs 3 bi-vocational pastors, not just one.  I am part of a church called Awaken in Calgary, Canada, where we only have one bi-vocational pastor.  But the rest of the church steps up and takes care of a lot of things in order to make sure our one pastor does not burn out.  Maybe I am just young and naive but I think there are other options if you have the people to step up.  I&#039;d love your thoughts on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I liked this article and it made some excellent points.  But I would like to challenge your argument that a church needs 3 bi-vocational pastors, not just one.  I am part of a church called Awaken in Calgary, Canada, where we only have one bi-vocational pastor.  But the rest of the church steps up and takes care of a lot of things in order to make sure our one pastor does not burn out.  Maybe I am just young and naive but I think there are other options if you have the people to step up.  I&#8217;d love your thoughts on that.</p>
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		<title>By: NathanColquhoun</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/please-lord-dont-let-me-get-pragmatic-spiritual-formation-for-missional-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-2018</link>
		<dc:creator>NathanColquhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that David&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is what I&#039;m trying to do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Build economically viable communities where costs of living go down through things like free-cycling and sharing meals, child care together.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Its tough, but I really think it holds a lot of power to help things like this last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that David</p>
<p>This is what I&#8217;m trying to do.</p>
<p>Build economically viable communities where costs of living go down through things like free-cycling and sharing meals, child care together.</p>
<p>Its tough, but I really think it holds a lot of power to help things like this last.</p>
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