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		<title>By: a new church or a new life? &#171; Life in the Vine</title>
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		<dc:creator>a new church or a new life? &#171; Life in the Vine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me expand a bit more.  David Fitch&#8217;s blog, back in February has began to give me a language to speak, to articulate some of the feelings, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps - I don&#039;t get the impression that this is what you are desiring to do...

However, the danger is present for those who put to practice what you are suggesting (which I hope people will do, I think you&#039;re spot on!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps &#8211; I don&#8217;t get the impression that this is what you are desiring to do&#8230;</p>
<p>However, the danger is present for those who put to practice what you are suggesting (which I hope people will do, I think you&#8217;re spot on!)</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I really appreciate your guidance on this issue. As a church planter (in north Texas) coming out of the Stone-Campbell Restoration movement I have a thought to add. One thing that we learned is that there are some benefits to moving away from the professionally trained seminarian and instead relying on often bi-vocational ministers who may (or may not) have received a certificate from a preaching school or something similar. 

This helped our churches stay light on their feet (in theory). But it had some pretty damaging drawbacks as well. While seminary certainly has its own pitfalls and shortcomings, it does at least cultivate an awareness of the historic faith. Our preachers and eventually our churches became ahistorical (partly because they were made uncomfortable by a subject they knew little about and partly because they didn&#039;t see the value in history...just the Bible, thank you.)

This, as you can imagine, brought numerous illnesses with it.

So, as a post-Christendom domestic missionary, I find it important that there be those associated with our new missional communities who are aware of and able to translate these historic lessons. That isn&#039;t to take away from what you&#039;ve noted about missional leaders. However, lets be careful not to throw away the baby of knowledge and learning with the bathwater of modernity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I really appreciate your guidance on this issue. As a church planter (in north Texas) coming out of the Stone-Campbell Restoration movement I have a thought to add. One thing that we learned is that there are some benefits to moving away from the professionally trained seminarian and instead relying on often bi-vocational ministers who may (or may not) have received a certificate from a preaching school or something similar. </p>
<p>This helped our churches stay light on their feet (in theory). But it had some pretty damaging drawbacks as well. While seminary certainly has its own pitfalls and shortcomings, it does at least cultivate an awareness of the historic faith. Our preachers and eventually our churches became ahistorical (partly because they were made uncomfortable by a subject they knew little about and partly because they didn&#8217;t see the value in history&#8230;just the Bible, thank you.)</p>
<p>This, as you can imagine, brought numerous illnesses with it.</p>
<p>So, as a post-Christendom domestic missionary, I find it important that there be those associated with our new missional communities who are aware of and able to translate these historic lessons. That isn&#8217;t to take away from what you&#8217;ve noted about missional leaders. However, lets be careful not to throw away the baby of knowledge and learning with the bathwater of modernity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anicius Boethius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anicius Boethius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post came to me a while back and got me looking at your blog.  It was an encouragement to me for a bit but then reality hit.  Small church pastors are small church pastors whether missional or not.  I have been driving hard for 6  1/2 years, determined to walk with Jesus, and it worked.  Lot&#039;s of commitments, amazing life change, and now no friends just needier and needier people coming to me because I will be with them... but now I am one of them.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be nice to be part of a movement, to be a leader or to sense that movements led by people with new ideas make that much of a difference.  Beside the greats of church history there lie the bones of the faithful no ones who simply plunged ahead in faith... They don&#039;t get to right books or get cool people to join them in their movements, they simply live the Gospel.  And this leads to the end of carrying their own private cross.  While the few stand around to mourn and the many watch casually or turn away to do something greater, the small church pastor sometimes has to speak those words that haunt him, &quot;It is finished.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For me it is finished.  This part of the journey is done and it is time to move on.  I am not sure what lies ahead but I do know Who I will follow.  Time to pack the bags and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post came to me a while back and got me looking at your blog.  It was an encouragement to me for a bit but then reality hit.  Small church pastors are small church pastors whether missional or not.  I have been driving hard for 6  1/2 years, determined to walk with Jesus, and it worked.  Lot&#8217;s of commitments, amazing life change, and now no friends just needier and needier people coming to me because I will be with them&#8230; but now I am one of them.  </p>
<p>It would be nice to be part of a movement, to be a leader or to sense that movements led by people with new ideas make that much of a difference.  Beside the greats of church history there lie the bones of the faithful no ones who simply plunged ahead in faith&#8230; They don&#8217;t get to right books or get cool people to join them in their movements, they simply live the Gospel.  And this leads to the end of carrying their own private cross.  While the few stand around to mourn and the many watch casually or turn away to do something greater, the small church pastor sometimes has to speak those words that haunt him, &#8220;It is finished.&#8221;</p>
<p>For me it is finished.  This part of the journey is done and it is time to move on.  I am not sure what lies ahead but I do know Who I will follow.  Time to pack the bags and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Kirby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Kirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three characteristics of missional leaders that I would like to add.  Missional leaders need to be people with patience.  Discipling is taking a seedling and helping it grow into a tree.  It will be a long time before a seedling will bear fruit.  They also need to be peacemakers.  With missional communities, usually, it’s not an issue of ‘am I on the right bus?’, but ‘where is the best place for me to sit?’ or ‘when is it my turn to drive?’.  And most importantly, they need to be persons of grace.  Missional communities are about taking risks, making mistakes, and experiencing forgiveness.  Grace empowers people to change.  Grace gives strength to carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three characteristics of missional leaders that I would like to add.  Missional leaders need to be people with patience.  Discipling is taking a seedling and helping it grow into a tree.  It will be a long time before a seedling will bear fruit.  They also need to be peacemakers.  With missional communities, usually, it’s not an issue of ‘am I on the right bus?’, but ‘where is the best place for me to sit?’ or ‘when is it my turn to drive?’.  And most importantly, they need to be persons of grace.  Missional communities are about taking risks, making mistakes, and experiencing forgiveness.  Grace empowers people to change.  Grace gives strength to carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: preacherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>preacherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post!&lt;br/&gt;Keep up the great work you are doing and difference you are making for the kingdom of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post!<br />Keep up the great work you are doing and difference you are making for the kingdom of God.</p>
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		<title>By: David Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate ... you are right on with he question &quot;how does missional community actually make disciples. For this is the question. Missional people, people with a vision for the ission, for seeing God at work, for being sculpted by God for His purposes ... DON&#039;T JUST GROW ON TREES. And so I too have been pushing this issue among my missional networks. &lt;br/&gt;My answer isliturgy, missional orders, and the practices of spiritual formation in community and triads. &lt;br/&gt;I can not explain the theology of liturgy, how it differs from legalistic requirement in a post. All I can say nowis that I have written on it (blush,bush) in chapters 4,5 and 7 in The Great Giveaway. &lt;br/&gt;Blessings on your labors for Christ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate &#8230; you are right on with he question &#8220;how does missional community actually make disciples. For this is the question. Missional people, people with a vision for the ission, for seeing God at work, for being sculpted by God for His purposes &#8230; DON&#8217;T JUST GROW ON TREES. And so I too have been pushing this issue among my missional networks. <br />My answer isliturgy, missional orders, and the practices of spiritual formation in community and triads. <br />I can not explain the theology of liturgy, how it differs from legalistic requirement in a post. All I can say nowis that I have written on it (blush,bush) in chapters 4,5 and 7 in The Great Giveaway. <br />Blessings on your labors for Christ</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really resonate with both of these blog entries.  But I am confused about a couple of things.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You seem to propose that good liturgies are the foundation for spiritual formation.  How does a historically-thick-yet-organic liturgy foster spiritual formation?  And how is such a liturgy the opposite of &quot;preaching the Mission as a legalistic requirement?&quot;   &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On a more fundamental level, I still am bewildered about how a missional community actually makes disciples.  You articulate a clear vision for communities that engage and love the world around them, but how do they call that world to join the mission, to repent and believe and be baptized (for how can we fulfill the mission of Christ without becoming His)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really resonate with both of these blog entries.  But I am confused about a couple of things.</p>
<p>You seem to propose that good liturgies are the foundation for spiritual formation.  How does a historically-thick-yet-organic liturgy foster spiritual formation?  And how is such a liturgy the opposite of &#8220;preaching the Mission as a legalistic requirement?&#8221;   </p>
<p>On a more fundamental level, I still am bewildered about how a missional community actually makes disciples.  You articulate a clear vision for communities that engage and love the world around them, but how do they call that world to join the mission, to repent and believe and be baptized (for how can we fulfill the mission of Christ without becoming His)?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Krell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Krell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, very insightful.  I found it uncanny how you identified the very things we&#039;ve stumbled upon in our journey in community over the years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Look forward to seeing you at Ecclesia next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, very insightful.  I found it uncanny how you identified the very things we&#8217;ve stumbled upon in our journey in community over the years.</p>
<p>Look forward to seeing you at Ecclesia next week.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveDV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveDV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful thoughts. Thanks!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it&#039;s important to always emphasize that a missional leader is one who embodies the mission and message of Jesus. You can&#039;t lead anyone toward missional activity if you are not incarnationally displaying the gospel in your own life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful thoughts. Thanks!</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to always emphasize that a missional leader is one who embodies the mission and message of Jesus. You can&#8217;t lead anyone toward missional activity if you are not incarnationally displaying the gospel in your own life.</p>
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