Comments on: Barack Obama and the Empire: Where Do We Go From Here? http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:46:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Erin Turner http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-25815 Erin Turner Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:44:29 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-25815 Barack Obama is the best democrat president in my opinion. he makes the best judgment and foreign policies.. ` Barack Obama is the best democrat president in my opinion. he makes the best judgment and foreign policies.. `

]]> By: Rahab http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2042 Rahab Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:16:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2042 Where Do We Go From Here......it's Simple....."Faith"<br/><br/><br/> The passion and simplicity this man demonstrates with "No Fear" he represents a pure candidate of "Faith" admists his peers.....as well as anyone who can carry off a speech with a similar poise of John F. Kennedy is one that deserves an "Act of hard righteous Faith in abundance" and love attached to it! He is a good man.....full of compassion and witts, and charm.....and clever. President Elect Barack Obama holds his tongue when neccessary; & becomes voluntarily expressive when it calls for direct attention. He is an extreme candidate...with all proper alertnesses attached. Only one area of expertise he must work on-that of being a written 10commandment! But, I have Faith.....He'll catch on soon enough; he is mightly brilliant! Where Do We Go From Here……it's Simple….."Faith"

The passion and simplicity this man demonstrates with "No Fear" he represents a pure candidate of "Faith" admists his peers…..as well as anyone who can carry off a speech with a similar poise of John F. Kennedy is one that deserves an "Act of hard righteous Faith in abundance" and love attached to it! He is a good man…..full of compassion and witts, and charm…..and clever. President Elect Barack Obama holds his tongue when neccessary; & becomes voluntarily expressive when it calls for direct attention. He is an extreme candidate…with all proper alertnesses attached. Only one area of expertise he must work on-that of being a written 10commandment! But, I have Faith…..He'll catch on soon enough; he is mightly brilliant!

]]> By: Steve http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2041 Steve Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:37:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2041 David: I agree that we now need to go back to building the Kingdom in small ways. I worked hard as a volunteer with the Obama campaign locally because I feel like any work we do now is in what has become a toxic environment in our land. As many have put it, politics is about damage control. My hope was just for some relief at the top to allow us to get back to the good stuff...maybe even with some real faith-based partnerships this time. David: I agree that we now need to go back to building the Kingdom in small ways. I worked hard as a volunteer with the Obama campaign locally because I feel like any work we do now is in what has become a toxic environment in our land. As many have put it, politics is about damage control. My hope was just for some relief at the top to allow us to get back to the good stuff…maybe even with some real faith-based partnerships this time.

]]> By: jzholloway http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2040 jzholloway Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:19:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2040 Excellent post! Excellent post!

]]> By: David Fitch http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2039 David Fitch Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:59:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2039 Hurdler, you and Gordon have articulated my position better and more concisely than myself. Many thanks. See Gordon's post on the subject which adds greatly to this dicussion here - (http://gordonhackman.blogspot.com/2008/11/politicized-christianity.html)<br/>And to anonymous ... I repent from the use of the word carnivorous ... I agree, it's not helpful ... it has some tecnical usage in the lietrature of political theory which is how it slipped into my vocabulary.<br/><br/>Grateful to all, for this conversation ... Hurdler, you and Gordon have articulated my position better and more concisely than myself. Many thanks. See Gordon’s post on the subject which adds greatly to this dicussion here – (http://gordonhackman.blogspot.com/2008/11/politicized-christianity.html)
And to anonymous … I repent from the use of the word carnivorous … I agree, it’s not helpful … it has some tecnical usage in the lietrature of political theory which is how it slipped into my vocabulary.

Grateful to all, for this conversation …

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2038 Anonymous Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:20:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2038 Julie - thank you for a very thoughtful and well reasoned response which essentially agrees with the point that we as Christians should not count on government to be our savior. David, I appreciate your passion and insights into the current struggles and how we can come together as the body of Christ to address the urgent needs of our society. But the use of words such as "carnivorous" to describe a capitalist system in which many Christians live and work does nothing to further your arguments, and only undermines your intent, I believe. I think Obama understands that fanning the flames of our discontent is not the way to find common ground. Julie – thank you for a very thoughtful and well reasoned response which essentially agrees with the point that we as Christians should not count on government to be our savior. David, I appreciate your passion and insights into the current struggles and how we can come together as the body of Christ to address the urgent needs of our society. But the use of words such as “carnivorous” to describe a capitalist system in which many Christians live and work does nothing to further your arguments, and only undermines your intent, I believe. I think Obama understands that fanning the flames of our discontent is not the way to find common ground.

]]> By: Miguel Karaoulanis http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2037 Miguel Karaoulanis Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:42:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2037 I hope Obama will live up to his Christian faith, and do what is right in the sight of the LORD!<br/><a HREF="http://www.teamtruth.com/articles/art_godthebibleandjustice.htm" REL="nofollow">http://www.teamtruth.com/articles/art_godthebibleandjustice.htm</a><br/>Amen????! I hope Obama will live up to his Christian faith, and do what is right in the sight of the LORD!
http://www.teamtruth.com/articles/art_godthebibleandjustice.htm
Amen????!

]]> By: hurdler http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2036 hurdler Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:51:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2036 I think "Obama Christians" should learn from "Bush Christians". Bush collected votes for Christian values of life, the voters were then associated with every Republican position. After 8 years, the national discussion on life issues is in much the same place. And when the unexpected happens, personality cult may leave you supporting wars that you may not have supported before you bought into the person. <br/><br/>Social justice, like the sanctity of life, is a Christian virtue. A vote based on one issue will be used by party in power by all of its favorite issues. And crises may move the government in unanticipated (bad) directions.<br/><br/>Like Dave, I agree that our main concern is the Great Commission and not the Great Experiment. But for politics to make a difference, those who gave, worked, and voted must continue to hold the politicians feet to the fire. <br/> <br/>... and on the socialism/capitalism subthread, I think they are co-dependant monsters that consume everything smaller and weaker than themselves. Either one unchecked in the hands of sinful humans has been disastrous. I think “Obama Christians” should learn from “Bush Christians”. Bush collected votes for Christian values of life, the voters were then associated with every Republican position. After 8 years, the national discussion on life issues is in much the same place. And when the unexpected happens, personality cult may leave you supporting wars that you may not have supported before you bought into the person.

Social justice, like the sanctity of life, is a Christian virtue. A vote based on one issue will be used by party in power by all of its favorite issues. And crises may move the government in unanticipated (bad) directions.

Like Dave, I agree that our main concern is the Great Commission and not the Great Experiment. But for politics to make a difference, those who gave, worked, and voted must continue to hold the politicians feet to the fire.

… and on the socialism/capitalism subthread, I think they are co-dependant monsters that consume everything smaller and weaker than themselves. Either one unchecked in the hands of sinful humans has been disastrous.

]]> By: Len Hjalmarson http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2035 Len Hjalmarson Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:05:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2035 dave, great post.. balanced and lucid. These are challenging times .. dave, great post.. balanced and lucid. These are challenging times ..

]]> By: David Fitch http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/comment-page-1/#comment-2034 David Fitch Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:17:00 +0000 http://nathancolquhoun1.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/barack-obama-and-the-empire-where-do-we-go-from-here/#comment-2034 OK Julie ... we probably need to end the long debate here... on this blog at least ... I'd like to get some other opinions ...but to sum up .. I think you and I agree that a.) government can at best be presevratory in its actions, b.) that capitalism is based on self interest. Where you and I disagree is that somehow capitalism is neutral. For me, there are numerous ways capitalism shapes us all in to self interest, worse it shapes us away from the order of God. It shapes healthcare, it teaches us we should not have sex because we will hurt our economic standing (this is how they teach sex ed in public schools), it shapes us into being consumers. Capitalism is a social force that shapes our character. This finally is where we disagree. I am just not as interested in the theoretical debate concerning whether socialism or capitalism is a better system (following politucal theorist Zizek - to me they are two sides of the same coin). I am deeply concerned with how evangelicalism capitulates itself and mirrors capitalism in its own social organization. To me, to get deeper into these issues would take some serious study, beyond what I now consider long since passed writings of Novak, Hayek,a nd Milton Friedman ... So maybe we can do this over coffee and at least come to an agreement that political theory is a much deeper conversation than we can have on this blog...<br/>Peace! and I've enjoyed the give and take OK Julie … we probably need to end the long debate here… on this blog at least … I’d like to get some other opinions …but to sum up .. I think you and I agree that a.) government can at best be presevratory in its actions, b.) that capitalism is based on self interest. Where you and I disagree is that somehow capitalism is neutral. For me, there are numerous ways capitalism shapes us all in to self interest, worse it shapes us away from the order of God. It shapes healthcare, it teaches us we should not have sex because we will hurt our economic standing (this is how they teach sex ed in public schools), it shapes us into being consumers. Capitalism is a social force that shapes our character. This finally is where we disagree. I am just not as interested in the theoretical debate concerning whether socialism or capitalism is a better system (following politucal theorist Zizek – to me they are two sides of the same coin). I am deeply concerned with how evangelicalism capitulates itself and mirrors capitalism in its own social organization. To me, to get deeper into these issues would take some serious study, beyond what I now consider long since passed writings of Novak, Hayek,a nd Milton Friedman … So maybe we can do this over coffee and at least come to an agreement that political theory is a much deeper conversation than we can have on this blog…
Peace! and I’ve enjoyed the give and take

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